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rbarbour1051
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:19 am
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12 Step Programs
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How do you feel about 12 step programs particularly AA? I've heard everything from calling alcoholism the sin of drunkenness to calling it a disease.
It is problematic because sin can be considered a disease. What are your thoughts?
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cmdrchristof
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:57 am
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having lived with an alcoholic for a while I can say that it's more than "just a sin" he could not not drink. No matter how much he wanted to, he got help and that helped but it was still a struggle for him.
I think that anything that helps people overcome their problems is a good thing.
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robmontana49
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:45 am
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Alcoholism is a major problem here in the U.S.A and without help will lead to sickness and death. All you have to do is go to your local rescue mission and see for yourself.
I suppose 12 step programs might help a little bit, but the people I have met in the ministries rehab are dry drunks just waiting to have another drink and are very miserable people while attending AA meetings.
I have found that the only way to beat alcoholism is when the person turns his/her life over to God. Once the person accepts Christ he/she is a new person and no longer has a desire for alcohol.
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grateful
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:45 am
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From my personal and counseling experience, they work if you actually work them...and part of that working is to humbly turn one's will and one's life over to the care of God....
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Cookie Chef
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Mon May 03, 2010 8:11 am
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A 12 step program can only work as well as the alcoholics commitment. Alcoholics have lived a life of deceit and making excuses. Most whom I have known have become very adept in these areas.
Without the power and strength of our Lord Jesus Christ, I think it is unlikely a "drunk" will become "sober" (that is as opposed to being "dry").
I know well an alcoholic whom I believe truly submitted himself to Jesus as Lord and Savior. He still struggles with alcohol. It has been the entire focus of his life for so very many years - when, where, how is the next drink, ALL else being secondary - that he still struggles with making the changes required to take the power of this sin away from our enemy.
For what it's worth, this individuals experience with AA - He says his "mentor" didn't answer the phone when he was in crisis (on more than one occassion) and then he had alcoholic friends who told him to skip AA because "it only makes you feel bad about yourself"!
I have heard that AA does help some people . . . .
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Nonlie1
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:38 pm
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My father was an Alcoholic for the first eleven or twelve years of my life. It cost him two marriages and four childhoods. At one point something stepped into his life and called to him to join AA. He has been sober ever since. But it's not something that he has beaten. It's something that tempts him everyday but he finds the good sense to beat it. Also I saw somewhere earlier in this thread that someone can only beat Alcoholism by turning their life over to God, and I agree and so does AA. It's even one of the first few steps to the 12 that they take.
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